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#1 Mon, Mar 22, 2010 5:45 PM

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67 or 69 Senate C ?

I'm looking to pick up a Senate C and am looking for some size help between a 67" and a 69".
I'm 6'1" 185-190lbs
Currently skiing on a 68" System 8.
34mph 22 off working my way into 28 off.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

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#2 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 8:08 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

Get the 67 Senate C. The 69 would be HUGE for your size.


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#3 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 12:56 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

Thanks Shane!

That's what I was thinking since I'm pretty sure a 67 Senate has more surface area than a 68 system 8.

Mike

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#4 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:14 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

I agree with 2gofaster, im 6'4" 195 and my old 69 was too big for me.


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#5 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:08 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

This chart seems to be pretty accurate. Hope it helps.

http://www.waterskiworld.com/water_skis … chart.html

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#6 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:22 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

67 seems like the right choice!

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#7 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:58 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

I'm 220lbs and at 34mph the 69 was too big for me.  Loved the 67 though....

TW

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#8 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 6:24 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

A Legit. Question: Why does the manufacturers sizing chart always suggest a Bigger ski then many skiers actually seem to prefer to use?

In the above comments by TW & Trichter, what or why was the manufacturers suggested size TOO big? Is this because of skiing -35 & shorter @ speed? If so, would'nt this hurt someone trying to work their way through the speeds and lengths? or does the ski just feel too Buoyant and shallow?

@ 6-4 and 195 Radar clearly suggests the 69" and @ 220 theres no question!?!?

Maybe Chris can comment on the mfr's suggested sizes and how or why they arrived at their #'s.

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#9 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:03 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

67 Senate C ordered! Thanks for all the input.

Mike

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#10 Tue, Mar 23, 2010 10:05 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

h20dawg79 wrote:

[...]

@ 6-4 and 195 Radar clearly suggests the 69" and @ 220 theres no question!?!?

[...]

I started with the 69" at 32 mph and I was stunned at how quickly and easily it turned.  No problem running up the rope at the slower speed, and the deep water start was like riding a surfboard.  There is no question this ski has RS-1 DNA running through its veins.

But at 34.2 mph it just wouldn't turn as tightly as I wanted it to and I found myself fighting the clock by the end of the course.  I could squeeze out some -22's, but couldn't finish a -28.  When I tried the 67" (a few days later) I had some of the easiest -32's ever for that early in the season.

As we tend to do, our group test rode every new ski we had, which included the RS-1, the Senate-C and the O'Brien Elite.  Of those skis the Senate-C was preferred by all.

I went on to try the A-1 at the very end of the season and am currently on that, but I'm going to be talking to Eddie about a Strada [to try] within the next month...

TW

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#11 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:52 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

So, just curious, and I don't mean to hijack barefutn's thread, but I think this is in the same spirit. 

What size would you guys suggest for a 5'8", 170 lb (absolute minimum 165 lb) 34 mph skier?  Chart looks like 67" but it sounds like some pretty big guys are riding 67's.

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#12 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:04 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

What line lengths are you running, Deke?


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#13 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 10:27 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

2gofaster wrote:

What line lengths are you running, Deke?

15 off and currently riding a 67" D3 Nomad RC.  No real complaints, I just hear so much good feedback that I might like to try one.

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#14 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:22 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

h20dawg79,
     I would say the answer to your question is that manufacturer suggested sizing is designed for the average of the skiers who will be riding the ski.  Most of you skiers here on PSC are on the very high level of skiers.  The more advance your technique and physical conditioning, the shorter ski you can ride.  Hence why some of you end up buying smaller skis that what is suggested.  In season, I weigh between 178-183 and comfortably ride a 66" ski.  After the tournament season is over, my weight comes up to 188-192 and a 67" is my choice to ski.

Chris

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#15 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:29 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

So you think a 170 lb guy at 34 mph should ride a 65 or 67 Senate C?

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#16 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 4:49 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

ChrisRossi wrote:

h20dawg79,
     I would say the answer to your question is that manufacturer suggested sizing is designed for the average of the skiers who will be riding the ski.  Most of you skiers here on PSC are on the very high level of skiers.  The more advance your technique and physical conditioning, the shorter ski you can ride.  Hence why some of you end up buying smaller skis that what is suggested.  In season, I weigh between 178-183 and comfortably ride a 66" ski.  After the tournament season is over, my weight comes up to 188-192 and a 67" is my choice to ski.

Chris

Very Cool Chris! Thanx...cool 
That gives everyone (including me) some Great direction and sheds light on the importance of also considering the particular use and ability of the particular person  in question.


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#17 Wed, Mar 24, 2010 6:38 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

Deke, I'd probably run a 65 if I were you. It's got no shortage of surface area.


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#18 Thu, Mar 25, 2010 8:36 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

2gofaster wrote:

Deke, I'd probably run a 65 if I were you. It's got no shortage of surface area.

Thanks Shane.  I actually weighed myself for the first time since January and came in around 163.  That's about an 8 lb drop!  It's proof that the "only beer diet" actually works.

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#19 Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:07 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

Deke wrote:

It's proof that the "only beer diet" actually works.

You must share your beer of choice for this diet, my attempts always went in the other direction!

Eric

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#20 Thu, Mar 25, 2010 9:30 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

If it helps I'll put another vote behind the 65" First, because you are skiing on the high end of the speed range, you can push the upper limits of weight. Second, take the data from these other skiers: if guys in the 200lb range are skiing well and comfortably on the 67," then you should be good to if you are only 10lbs over the suggested upper limit for the 65"

Chris knows the inner workings, I don't, but it makes sense that Radar is giving size recommendations with the understanding that this ski is aimed at skiers that are usually below max boat speed.

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#21 Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:09 PM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

That would depend on style, physique, and the kind of rope lengths your running.  I ride the 65 when I ski the Senate.  It has almost exactly the same surface area of a 66 Strada (my other ski).

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#22 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 5:22 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

That depends on technique, physique, and what line lengths you are running.  I ski a 65 Senate and love it.  The 65 Senate has almost exactly the same surface area as a 66 Strada (my other ski).

CHris

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#23 Fri, Mar 26, 2010 6:19 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

Deke wrote:

It's proof that the "only beer diet" actually works.

Oh, how I wish this was true for everyone.

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#24 Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:58 AM

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Re: 67 or 69 Senate C ?

ChrisRossi wrote:

That depends on technique, physique, and what line lengths you are running.  I ski a 65 Senate and love it.  The 65 Senate has almost exactly the same surface area as a 66 Strada (my other ski).

CHris

Do you use stock fin/binding numbers on the 65 Senate C? I can't find the numbers anywhere. Anyone have numbers to post? Thanks

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